tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6712640935255311366.post3389351626725758509..comments2024-03-25T14:26:47.657-04:00Comments on A Gender Variance Who's Who: Carla Antonelli (1959 - ) actress, activist.Zagriahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15124379637664963835noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6712640935255311366.post-54659230559449742512009-03-28T13:02:00.000-04:002009-03-28T13:02:00.000-04:00Dummy, HBS is not a type of TGism. So get off of ...Dummy, HBS is not a type of TGism. So get off of your Charlotte-bashing fetish. ALL TGISM is a CHOICE. TGs are men born with male identities and choose to pretend to be what they are not. They are crossdressers. MtF crossdressers/TGs are men who choose to be what they are not. Their lives are trivial and they harm and mock women.<BR/><BR/>What is you problem, won't Charlotte have sex with you? Why can't you be happy with yourself as the transgender man you are and get out of the way of the people with the medical condition of HBS/TS/IS? Why must you rape HBS persons be lying and accusing them of being a part of the chosen perverts of the LGBTg community? It is not about being superior, just being separate and alone.Jennifer Andrewsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6712640935255311366.post-62364677210625206712009-03-16T20:29:00.000-04:002009-03-16T20:29:00.000-04:00The BBC news item, which admittedly uses the expre...The BBC news item, which admittedly uses the expression "Harry Benjamin Syndrome", is about a transsexual as part of the GLBT community. The president of the Argentine homosexual community, Cesar Cigliutti, is quoted. This is not HBS separatism.Zagriahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15124379637664963835noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6712640935255311366.post-31431023457907068482009-03-16T19:35:00.000-04:002009-03-16T19:35:00.000-04:00"Could you point us to an HBS man who is a spokesm..."Could you point us to an HBS man who is a spokesman for HBS. I ask because I have not found such a spokesman."<BR/><BR/>HBS International ( http://shb-info.org/hbs.html ) is still in its infancy, in fact its first offices will be open in London later this year.<BR/><BR/>Although it is already in the media all around the world, as instance in BBC News:<BR/><BR/>http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7013579.stm<BR/><BR/>A so recently created organization have not public spokesman, however many men are into the HBS International forums and some men had contributed to be "spokesman" in the mean time the Organization is not well established, as instance:<BR/><BR/>http://shb-info.org/colombia.html<BR/><BR/>This young man also contributed as spokesman in the radio of his country:<BR/><BR/>http://www.radiocaracol.com.co/noticias/au408519.asp<BR/><BR/>With only 16 years old.<BR/><BR/><BR/>KenAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6712640935255311366.post-35001318490248335112009-03-15T23:31:00.000-04:002009-03-15T23:31:00.000-04:00"Carla Antonelli (1970 - ) actress, activist."Carl..."Carla Antonelli (1970 - ) actress, activist."<BR/><BR/>Carla was born before this date, in a recent interview you can read in the following link, she is about 50 years old now:<BR/><BR/>http://www.carlaantonelli.com/noticias.htm#4<BR/><BR/>It puts the following:<BR/><BR/>"Mi nombre es Carla Antonelli, soy actriz y una mujer transexual .... A punto de cumplir 50 años, detrás unos ojos brillantes y azules como el mismo cielo, enseña una mirada serena y una elegancia que cultiva desde el fondo de sí misma por mucho que intente "escupir día a día los demonios" y no odiar, o odiar lo mínimo, porque "el odio te limita la felicidad".<BR/><BR/>KenAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6712640935255311366.post-14375967153988223052009-03-15T23:12:00.000-04:002009-03-15T23:12:00.000-04:00Real intersex persons are not antagonistic to tran...Real intersex persons are not antagonistic to trans persons. See the OII site.<BR/><BR/>Could you point us to an HBS man who is a spokesman for HBS. I ask because I have not found such a spokesman.<BR/><BR/>Carla can have different opinions from Lynn without being opposed to her reasonings. It is the HBS people whom I have frequently seen badmouthing Lynn. I have not seen Carla badmouthing her. You cite only gossip of something that may have been on television. Carla has a large bilingual web site. If what you say is true, point us to the page on the web site where she is opposed to Lynn.Zagriahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15124379637664963835noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6712640935255311366.post-60053906081007513342009-03-15T23:07:00.000-04:002009-03-15T23:07:00.000-04:00Also, HBS in Spain is doing a very intense activis...Also, HBS in Spain is doing a very intense activism for people with HBS have their Sex Affirmation Surgery approved by Law in Spain:<BR/><BR/>http://shb-info.org/shbactup.html<BR/><BR/>However Carla, once the law about changing name and sex in non-ops was approved she left activism and resigned from the PSOE, political party in which she was active before.<BR/><BR/>Also, not only Carla by herself achieved the law for non-ops right to change sex and name in Spain, many other TS/TG groups in Spain worked on it. They achieved these rights, which is good.<BR/><BR/>Now the HBS activists in Spain are working to achieve that the national health system cover Sex Reasignment Surgery or Sex Affirmation Surgery as in the HBS groups calls it, in all Spain, and with full resources guaranteed by law.<BR/><BR/>As you see, these are very different lobbies, GLBT people needs their rights, as well as people with HBS needs yours too.<BR/><BR/>There is not reason to to deny these rights to any of these groups of people.<BR/><BR/>KenAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6712640935255311366.post-70818164769885378302009-03-15T22:58:00.000-04:002009-03-15T22:58:00.000-04:00I am not a trans man :-)I am an intersex man born ...I am not a trans man :-)<BR/><BR/>I am an intersex man born with HBS.<BR/><BR/>Carla was always opposed to Lynn's reasonings, it is of common knowdlege among people who knows her and her friends, they support the idea that everybody is born without gender and they develop their gender identity through time, education and social influences. She repeat the same once and again in Spanish TV reality shows.<BR/><BR/>It is normal that Charlotte is not in the Transsexual Women Successes page, because she is not a transsexual, she is intersexual, and she would refuse to be included in such pages.<BR/><BR/>KenAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6712640935255311366.post-9124157494037884212009-03-15T22:40:00.000-04:002009-03-15T22:40:00.000-04:00Ken, Are we to take it from your name that you are...Ken, Are we to take it from your name that you are a trans man? In which case why do you talk only about trans women?<BR/><BR/>I fail to see that Carla is opposed to Lynn's opinions. Please give a link to where Carla says this, in either English or Spanish.<BR/><BR/>I have not noticed that Lynn has added Charlotte to her Transsexual Women Successes Page.Zagriahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15124379637664963835noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6712640935255311366.post-43817105249984499172009-03-15T22:25:00.000-04:002009-03-15T22:25:00.000-04:00Also I would like to add another comment: Carla An...Also I would like to add another comment: Carla Antonelli was removed in year 2000 from Lynn Conway's Transsexual Women Successes Page for the simple reason that she was a non-op person. Furthermore Carla is opposed to Lynn Conway's reasonings on TSism, while Charlotte is in the same line of Lynn Conway's reasonings about TSism, this you can see clearly in this page:<BR/><BR/>http://ai.eecs.umich.edu/people/conway/TS/TS.html#anchor279530<BR/><BR/>Carla and her friends are opposed to this, as they are opposed to many other reasonings Lynn stated through her pages.<BR/><BR/>KenAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6712640935255311366.post-49801119870636271172009-03-15T22:18:00.000-04:002009-03-15T22:18:00.000-04:00Of course Carla has done a lot more for Spanish pe...Of course Carla has done a lot more for Spanish people than Charlotte ever will, because Charlotte is not focused on the rights of the GLBT communities as Carla, Charlotte is focused in the rights of people living with the condition of HBS, a form of Intersex, not transex. These are different fights, it's logical that Transgender people fight for their rights, it's also logical that people with HBS fight for their health rights defending their condition as an intersex coverse neurological condition far away from the current DSM or ICD of these people as mental sick. Eventually the HBS activism will have a very positive effect on the transsexual community because they will be not considered mental sick anymore, if HBS movements all around the world succeed on it.<BR/><BR/>KenAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6712640935255311366.post-74003657615205619732009-03-15T09:37:00.000-04:002009-03-15T09:37:00.000-04:00What is the point of saying that Carla is "a trans...What is the point of saying that Carla is "a transgender person"? Who says that she is not? Like Charlotte Goiar and Margaret O'Hartigan, she is transgendered. Unlike them she apparently is not post-op.<BR/><BR/>Transition does not necessarily include surgery. That is a personal choice. Does Carla claim that she "suffers from HBS", other than that the HBS people badmouth her.<BR/><BR/>Carla has done a lot more for Spanish trans people than Charlotte Goiar ever willZagriahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15124379637664963835noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6712640935255311366.post-66466097485557345322009-03-15T02:17:00.000-04:002009-03-15T02:17:00.000-04:00"Carla completed transition by age 20"This is fals..."Carla completed transition by age 20"<BR/><BR/>This is false, when she/him has 20 years old, sex reasigment surgery was forbiden by law in Spain. Its very well know in Spain that she is a transgenderist, not a person really suffering from HBS neither looking for "complete transition"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6712640935255311366.post-6683990886449246802009-03-15T02:14:00.000-04:002009-03-15T02:14:00.000-04:00Carla Antonelli is a transgender person, who never...Carla Antonelli is a transgender person, who never had sex reasignment surgery, she is not a person with HBS :-)<BR/><BR/>She don't fit into the HBS movement so thats why she is against it.<BR/><BR/>By the way, SHB in Spanish means Síndrome de Harry Benjamin, while in English is HBS - Harry Benjamin's Syndrome, a condition that this transgender person doesnt suffer, as she/him keeps his/her male genitalia.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com