tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6712640935255311366.post3357490902051124930..comments2024-03-25T14:26:47.657-04:00Comments on A Gender Variance Who's Who: The Stonewall InnZagriahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15124379637664963835noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6712640935255311366.post-77920660749227328872017-03-11T14:09:13.126-05:002017-03-11T14:09:13.126-05:00Holly Woodlawn, A Low Life in High Heels, p123:
&...Holly Woodlawn, A Low Life in High Heels, p123:<br /><br />"The Stonewall was frequented by a lot of unique people going through major gender changes. We flocked there because it was a place where were fanned over. We were treated like women, and as far as we knew, we were women. The black 'girls' tried to look like the Supreme and the white 'girls' tried to look like the Shangri-Las. Our breaststroke were fabulous and we had the best makeup, but the guy boys gave us the derogatory label 'hormone queens,' which I found to be deplorable."<br /><br />P124-5:<br /><br />"June 26, 1969, was a hot, muggy Thursday night. The humidity in the air was unbearable because every queen in the city was in tears. Judy Garland was dead. ... When I returned to the Stonewall the next night, there was so much commotion --sirens blaring, people screaming --I though that a bomb had gone off. The cops were everywhere, and a chill shot up my spine as I drew closer, fearing the worst. I wedged myself into the mob for a closer look and heard a raspy scream, 'Asshole!' A street queen named Crazy Sylvia had just broken a gin bottle over a cop's head!"Zagriahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15124379637664963835noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6712640935255311366.post-24416042270099553892015-10-03T20:41:26.797-04:002015-10-03T20:41:26.797-04:00Roy McCarthy was a cis gay man present at the Ston...Roy McCarthy was a cis gay man present at the Stonewall riots. You can read an interview with him <a href="http://www.transadvocate.com/interview-with-an-actual-stonewall-riot-veteran-the-ciswashing-of-stonewall-must-end_n_8750.htm" rel="nofollow">here</a>.<br /><br />"So I go running down, following him…. By the time we got down there, the paddy wagon had just pulled up. The queens were just starting to come out and someone had just thrown a high heel. There may have been coins or whatever, but I was there within a couple minutes after the festivities started. I did see high heels flying! The queens — the transgenders or the crossdressers — were yelling something from across the street by the paddy wagon; they were yelling at the cops. We were cheering on the transgenders — the crossdressers — it just sort of snowballed from there.<br /><br />. I am old school: and when I talk about gay community, the transgenders were a part of it. We never ever considered them not! Bisexuals, crossdressers, were never ever not considered a art of it! We were all gay! I’m kind of sad that all this division and fracturization is come about.<br /><br />The Stonewall Inn was made up of the dregs of the community. Transgenders and transsexuals were not allowed in many of the gay clubs. And the Stonewall Inn was mostly prostitutes and drug addicts, and drag queens and transgenders. It was not your respectable gay club.<br /><br />It was four transgendered people who saved my butt! At the time they were called crossdressers as opposed to drag queens. Drag Queen was a regular guy – gay or straight – who dressed up as a woman to perform a show. Crossdressers – or transgenders as now – were 24 hrs. Transvestite would dress up to go out to a club, be they were not necessarily performers…they would just dress up to go out to a club."Zagriahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15124379637664963835noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6712640935255311366.post-55776199602038590242015-08-25T15:45:14.013-04:002015-08-25T15:45:14.013-04:00Jayne County Man Enough to be a Woman p40-1: &quo...Jayne County <i> Man Enough to be a Woman</i> p40-1: "I ended up spending most of the Summer of Love in the Stonewall. ... The Stonewall Inn was full of drag queens, hippy queens with long hair down to their shoulders, butch lesbians in men's shirts, a few straight people. All types. It was just a little room with a bar on the right and a brick wall at the back, with a jukebox playing everything from the Supremes' 'I'm Livin' in Shame' to the Doors' "Hello I Love You", and everyone danced the boogaloo and the shingaling, which were the dances that year. I was there every night, and I'd meet people and spend the night with them, or I'd go to one of the crash pads that people had and sleep on the floor. I never had to sleep on the street. Very often we stayed up all night anyway." <br /><br />p48: "The queens took the lead in the Stonewall Riots. They walked around in semi-drag with teased hair and false eyelashes on and they didn't give a shit what anybody thought about them. What did they have to lose? Absolutely fucking nothing. A lot of people were standing around as the Riots began wondering, 'I wonder if I should do this? It's going to be a big step for me, a big statement'. But for the queens it really wasn't. It was just an extension of the lives that they were already living on the streets. Nowadays the Stonewall Riots are regarded as the birth of gay liberation, but for me and the other street queens, it wasn't such an amazingly important thing; we were already out there." Zagriahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15124379637664963835noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6712640935255311366.post-90124819934907061542015-08-11T22:03:08.600-04:002015-08-11T22:03:08.600-04:00A lot of people, gay and trans, claim that they we...A lot of people, gay and trans, claim that they were at Stonewall. One has to be cautious. Miss Major Griffen-Gracy is not mentioned in Duberman's book, is not mentioned in Carter's book, is not endorsed by the Stonewall Veterans' Association. Major never seems to say where she was or what she did within the riot. If you want to claim that she was in fact there, I need a coherent account. Zagriahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15124379637664963835noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6712640935255311366.post-68146768819282006202015-08-11T21:50:03.213-04:002015-08-11T21:50:03.213-04:00I find no mention of Miss Major.I find no mention of Miss Major.Opheliahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02635858408969176948noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6712640935255311366.post-79811621826970394192015-08-11T21:26:45.030-04:002015-08-11T21:26:45.030-04:00David Carter was interviewed by Gay.Today and aske...David Carter was interviewed by Gay.Today and asked about his non mentioning of Sylvia Rivera. He answered: "Yes, I am afraid that I could only conclude that Sylvia's account of her being there on the first night was a fabrication. Randy Wicker told me that Marsha P. Johnson, his roommate, told him that Sylvia was not at the Stonewall Inn at the outbreak of the riots as she had fallen asleep in Bryant Park after taking heroin. (Marsha had gone up to Bryant Park, found her asleep, and woke her up to tell her about the riots.) Playwright and early gay activist Doric Wilson also independently told me that Marsha Johnson had told him that Sylvia was not at the Stonewall Riots.<br /><br />Sylvia also showed a real inconsistency in her accounts of the Stonewall Riots. In one account she claimed that the night the riots broke out was the first time that she had ever been at the Stonewall Inn; in another account she said that she had been there many times. In one account she said that she was there in drag; in another account she says that she was not in drag. She told Martin Duberman that she went to the Stonewall Inn the night the riots began to celebrate Marsha Johnson's birthday, but Marsha was born in August, not June. I also did not find one credible witness who saw her there on the first night." http://gaytoday.com/interview/070104in.asp<br /><br />This should have been in the book as a footnote. Zagriahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15124379637664963835noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6712640935255311366.post-77696019308319251552011-10-08T12:59:39.008-04:002011-10-08T12:59:39.008-04:00Yes the Stonewall opened up as a gay bar in March ...Yes the Stonewall opened up as a gay bar in March 1967. But, I must point out that The Stonewall wasn't the first gay bar to allow same sex dancing as you stated...<br /><br />In 1957 on the west side in the 70's. there were 3 gay bars that had same sex dancing.<br /><br />The Club Mais Oui in the Stratford Arms Hotel on 73rd Street.was a boys club with same sex dancing<br /><br />On 76 Street the Club C'est Soir was a lesbian dance bar.<br /><br />On 78th Street was the club Bali, another same sex dance bar.<br /><br />They all had a man at the door that would turn the lights on the dance floor and turn on a T.V. This was the signal that either the cops or the State Liquor Authority or just someone unknown was entering the club.<br /><br />I frequented both the Mais Oui and The Bali Club. In those gays we rarely mixed in the dyke bars. <br /><br />I was 17 years old carrying someone else's draft card.. It was exciting going to a place that basically was illegal. Almost like a gay speakeasy. <br /><br />This can be verified with Pat Morgan. Pat was the name she used at the time. She frequented the Club Bali many weekends.<br /><br />Oh and for the record ? Lesbians was never customers at the Stonewall prior to the riots. It really bugs me when all the dykes come out of the of walls to lay claim to being Stonewall customers. There was the rare occasional fag hag though.Charlesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6712640935255311366.post-2538878608057728512011-07-03T10:01:28.506-04:002011-07-03T10:01:28.506-04:00a) / means or in modern English usage. There is ...a) / means or in modern English usage. There is insufficient information in Carter's book to know how the persons involved regarded themselves.<br /><br />b) person who do drag are certainly trans. I suggest a rereading of Feinberg and Ekins. There is a recent tendency to include heterosexual transvestites in but to exclude gay transvestites from trans. This is historical nonesense. See my <a href="http://zagria.blogspot.com/2010/04/susan-stryker-transgender-history.html" rel="nofollow">review</a> of Susan Stryker's book.Zagriahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15124379637664963835noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6712640935255311366.post-89574286889986326572011-07-03T07:03:29.605-04:002011-07-03T07:03:29.605-04:00Just because somebody dresses in drag that doesn&#...Just because somebody dresses in drag that doesn't make them 'trans.'<br />Why would you call someone a 'butch female/trans man?'Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6712640935255311366.post-37837385535813664982011-06-29T09:59:48.495-04:002011-06-29T09:59:48.495-04:00Hey Zagria, just wanted to say this is the most co...Hey Zagria, just wanted to say this is the most complete and succinct short form history of Stonewall I've ever seen! Please repost on Wikipedia and Transpedia.Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16716312705170163511noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6712640935255311366.post-87642796570607631832011-06-27T09:04:55.645-04:002011-06-27T09:04:55.645-04:00You just could not make this up!
Mafia bar to Na...You just could not make this up! <br /><br />Mafia bar to National monument.<br /><br />If history tells us anything it is that you can't believe just one version since few historians don't have an agenda of their own!Carolinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02133031265351841626noreply@blogger.com